[acb-hsp] Statistics Question

[J.Rayl]

Not a problem.  I just wish anyone taking stats. luck, but especially 
someone blind.
It really, really galls me that in all the years these schools, colleges and 
universities have been mandating SPSS, and in all the times students have 
been forced into the class, that no one has filed a complaint against the 
manufacturer.
They waived it for me when I got my Bachelors, we had two other classes in 
my Masters and stats was not one of them, so I never had to deal with it 
...until now, and it was a total nightmare!

Jessie Rayl
thedogmom63 at frontier.com
www.facebook.com/Eaglewings10
www.pathtogrowth.org

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
To: "'Discussion list for ACB human service professionals'" 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:35 PM
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Hi Jessie,

Well, I just don't want to paraphrase the suggestions, as you have many good
ones, and she might want to try more than one of them.

Darla


-----Original Message-----
From: acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org [mailto:acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of
J.Rayl
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:26 PM
To: Discussion list for ACB human service professionals
Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] Statistics Question

Not at all.  She can contact me from there if she would like.  Yeah, that
was rather a long response.  <LOL> Take care.

Jessie Rayl
thedogmom63 at frontier.com
www.facebook.com/Eaglewings10
www.pathtogrowth.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
To: "'Discussion list for ACB human service professionals'"
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] Statistics Question


Dear Jessie,

Do you mind if I forward this to Sarah in its entirety, so I don't leave out
anything?

Darla


-----Original Message-----
From: acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org [mailto:acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of
J.Rayl
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:22 PM
To: Discussion list for ACB human service professionals
Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] Statistics Question

Well, just have been there, done it.  <sigh>!
My experience was online so, first of all, no SPSS, the software they
typically use, is not accessible.
Not yet anyway, maybe by the time she actually takes it, it will be.
And, in my search, I did not find a program that would either 1. Allow me to
do full stats (a couple do T-tests and that's it); or 2. Were accessible.
So, how did I do it?  Well, the instructor ended up having to modify and
remodify and sometimes remodify that the eight inaccessible assignments.
Eight weeks after the class ended, we finally finished and I got a B--thank
God -- and I learned very little that I had not known before from having
taken previous accessible classes dealing with stats. concepts.

My recommendations were, and remain,
1.
Work closely with a tutor throughout the entire class so you pick up on the
visual (and there are many) elements of stats. and get to use the
inaccessible software.
(Argosy didn't like that.)
2.
Give an alternative, accessible class, like experimental psychology or tests
and measurements -- which teaches stats. concepts.
or 3.
Waive the class altogether with a comparable class that will still teach the
stats. concepts.

(Argosy didn't like that, either).

Time will tell what, or how, they proceed next go-round.  But maybe students
will have accessible software because now, much to my immense delight, IBM
is expressing an interest in making SPSS accessible.
class .
Jessie Rayl
thedogmom63 at frontier.com
www.facebook.com/Eaglewings10
www.pathtogrowth.org


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Darla Rogers <mailto:djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
To: 'Discussion list for ACB human service professionals'
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:59 PM
Subject: [acb-hsp] Statistics Question


A fr4iend--whom I reminded about the list and the affiliate--is
returning to college to g3et her degree in psychology and asked a number of
questions about statistics programs--what's accessible and what isn't and
how you work things out if the programs aren't accessible.



Darla




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