[acb-hsp] "Dreamland"

Fri Aug 17 19:23:50 EDT 2012

Well, I aggree, but for some reason, this doctoral program and work doesn't. 
<smiles>
And, if I couldn't sleep, it drives me nuts to just stay in bed--which is 
what one is supposed to do ...to see if they go back to sleep or not, I 
guess.

Jessie Rayl
thedogmom63 at frontier.com
www.facebook.com/Eaglewings10
www.pathtogrowth.org

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From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
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9 to 10 hours would suit me just fine, largely because it so seldom
happens. LOL!
Andy

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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:48 PM
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Hi.  <LOL>  Because they also take blood once a week and I'm totally
needle phobic.
Also, and this was the other main clincher: you have to go to bed and
stay there for at least 9 to 10 hours.  Yeah right! Like, when does that
happen here, and not necessarily by choice?  <LOL> So, I knew I could
not comply with the bed thing, and I knew I would not like the needle
thing.

Jessie Rayl
thedogmom63 at frontier.com
www.facebook.com/Eaglewings10
www.pathtogrowth.org

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From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:44 PM
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Jessie,

I wonder why, considering your interest in research, you didn't follow
through with the Vanda study.  I understand that they pay their subjects
quite well, and, after all, you have to pee anyway.

Andy

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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:36 PM
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I also take it and have done so for almost a year.  I take3mg one-half
to
one hour before going to bed.  If I wake up in the middle of the night,
I
can usually go back to sleep.  I also feel less tired the next day.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louise Pearson" <frogdog at iinet.net.au>
To: "John Kolwick" <john2109 at suddenlink.net>; "Discussion list for ACB
human
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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] "Dreamland"

> Ah thanks for this.
>
> And do you find you are less tired during the day?
>
> Louise.
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> From: "John Kolwick" <john2109 at suddenlink.net>
> To: "Discussion list for ACB human service professionals"
> <acb-hsp at acb.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 9:09 PM
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>
>>     Hello, I have taken it on a few occasions and it does seem to
help to
>> some degree.  I also have known of others who use and have reported
>> positive results.  You do need to sometimes play around with the
amount
>> of melatonin you take it can some times require a little more that
the
>> recommended amount.  I take it about 30 to 60 minutes before I go to
bed.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Louise Pearson
>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:01 AM
>> To: Discussion list for ACB human service professionals
>> Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] "Dreamland"
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Now this brings up an interesting topic to me at least Peter, and I
>> apologise for therefore going off topic.
>>
>> Does anyone on list take Melatonin? I am having trouble just feeling
>> tired
>> all day at work.  I actually have sleep apnoea, so ... I've been back
and
>> had another sleep study, but ... this is actually not the problem
>> apparently.
>>
>> So I'm back at the old ... should I, as a totally blind person, be
taking
>> supplements of melatonin? I'd be interested to hear from anyone who
has
>> tried this out ... and/or fiddled with the time of day when they
>> administered this?
>>
>> I have heard that it can be good to take in the middle of the day,
for
>> example.
>>
>> I apologise again for going off topic.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Louise.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "peter altschul" <paltschul at centurytel.net>
>> To: "Acbhsp" <acb-hsp at acb.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:22 AM
>> Subject: [acb-hsp] "Dreamland"
>>
>>
>>> "Dreamland": Inside the Mystery of Sleep
>>>  August 14, 2012
>>>  The opening scene of Marcel Proust's "Swannbs Way" is one of the
most
>>> famously difficult to get through in literature.  That's not because
of
>>> its style, which is sublime, but because it describes the experience
of
>>> falling asleep.  Many susceptible readers nod off the first few
times
>>> they attempt it.  All writing about sleep has this problem; of the
>>> fundamental human appetites, it's the least exciting.  The better
you
>>> invoke it, the more likely you are to incite it, and because it
canbt be
>>> remembered, sleep can't be described.  Nothing could be duller than
>>> watching someone else do it.  Only people who can't sleep spend much

>>> time thinking about it, and if there's anything more tedious than
>>> witnessing another person's nap, it's listening to a keyed-up,
obsessive
>>> insomniac go on and on about how they can't.
>>>  So kudos to David K.  Randall for writing what must be the most
>>> diverting and consistently fascinating book on the topic ever,
>>> "Dreamland: Adventures in the Strange Science of Sleep." I feel I
can
>>> speak with some authority on the subject because I've read quite a
few
>>> sleep books in my time.  My interest arises from my own mild
parasomnia,
>>> or sleep disorder, one that runs in my family.  We talk and
sometimes
>>> walk in our sleep. Randall suffers from the same condition, although
of
>>> the two of us, he's the only one whobs truly stsufferedst from it.
A
>>> few years ago, he hurt himself when he collided with a wall while
>>> sleepwalking.  It was the first time (he knows of) that he'd ever
walked
>>> in his sleep, but every night his wife curls up at the far end of
their
>>> "oversized" bed, wearing earplugs to shut out his btalking, singing,

>>> laughing, humming, giggling, grunting." Also, he kicks.
>>>  If there's anything creepier than hearing someone laugh in their
sleep,
>>> it's got to be another of Randall's propensities; he can fall asleep

>>> with his eyes open.  We deduce, therefore, that his wife is a woman
of
>>> fortitude, but the sleepwalking incident freaked her out properly.
She
>>> insisted he seek treatment and Randall visited a sleep lab.  An
>>> uncomfortable night spent with electrodes taped to his head elicited
the
>>> observation "you certainly kick a lot" and not much more.  Randall
>>> learned that "sleep is one of the dirty little secrets of science."
We
>>> don't know as much about it as we should, or could.
>>>  Hence, "Dreamland," a book that cleverly approaches a spectrum of
>>> sleep-related issues from the worst-case-scenario perspective.  If
you
>>> want to know how serious the problem of sleep deprivation can be,
look
>>> at the U.S.  Army, which is only just coming to terms with the role
lack
>>> of sleep plays in the 25 percent of American combat deaths resulting

>>> from friendly fire.  During the occupation of Iraq, soldiers
sleeping
>>> less than four hours per night reported five times as many
altercations
>>> with civilians as those who had the full eight.  Lack of sleep
impairs a
>>> person's ability to make decisions, communicate with others and
>>> improvise effectively.  Well, we all know that, don't we? But
learning
>>> how much blood and good will has been squandered as a result of
macho
>>> attitudes toward soldiers' sleep needs (four hours a night -- for
>>> hardworking 20-year-olds -- really?) is sobering.
>>>  Randall explores the significance of circadian rhythms -- the
body's
>>> internal clock, which "tells an organism when it is time to perform
an
>>> important activity and when it is time to rest" -- 
>>> by looking at the lives of professional athletes.  Stanford sleep
>>> researchers, he relates, demonstrated that East Coast football teams

>>> labored under a permanent disadvantage in Monday night football
games.
>>> The games were always scheduled at 9 p.m.  EST, no matter where they

>>> were played, to maximize television viewership.  The average human
body
>>> will bperk up around nine o'clock in the morning and stay that way
until
>>> around two in the afternoon, which is when we start thinking about a

>>> nap. Around six in the evening, the body gets another shot of energy

>>> that keeps us going until about 10 at night." A three-hour jet lag
may
>>> sound minor, but it meant that West Coast teams always played at
what
>>> their bodies thought was 6:00 p.m., a peak in the cycle, while their

>>> East Coast opponents played at a time when their bodies were winding

>>> down.  The point spreads reflected the difference.
>>>  Perhaps the most bizarre material in "Dreamland" concerns
sleepwalking,
>>> and specifically the responsibility a person has for any crimes he
>>> commits while asleep.  It happens.  If most sleepwalkers are like me
--
>>> barely able to bumble across the room before waking ourselves up --
a
>>> rare, unlucky few have been known to perform complex actions, like
>>> cooking or driving a car, while unconscious.  In 1988, a 23-year-old

>>> Toronto man was acquitted of murdering his mother-in-law while
asleep.
>>> Randall notes that "parasomnias seemed to be a particularly male
trait,"
>>> but I suspect that men, who are more prone to aggressive dreams in
the
>>> first place, are more likely than women to engage in sleepwalking
that
>>> presents a threat to others.  Attempting to strangle one's bed
partner
>>> because you think he or she is an attacker is a classic example.
Less
>>> dangerous forms of sleepwalking, like my own, simply don't get
reported.
>>>  The most unusual thing I've ever done in my sleep is write a letter
--
>>> although I'd only managed the salutation before the difficulty of
the
>>> task woke me up.  The next morning, the handwritten evidence of this

>>> incident spooked me.  It was like a message from a stranger I could
>>> never meet, but who just happened to inhabit the same body.  Whether
I
>>> could be held responsible for this stranger's actions isn't a
question
>>> I've ever had to face, but it's the kind of quandary that courts,
legal
>>> scholars and a handful of neurologists have had to wrestle with.
One
>>> expert Randall interviews advocates a new classification for such
>>> crimes: "semi-voluntary." If the culprit knows he has a problem and
>>> doesn't take measures to control it, he holds at least some
>>> responsibility for the results.
>>>  The concept of an unconscious mind has fallen out of intellectual
>>> favor, associated as it is with largely invalidated Freudian models
of
>>> the self. Yet some of the sleep-related subjects Randall covers in
>>> "Dreamland" do touch upon this territory, from dreams to the many
>>> accounts of people who, after having pondering a persistent problem,

>>> suddenly woke up with a fully formed solution.  Paul McCartney wrote
the
>>> hit song "Yesterday" in just this way.
>>>  It appears that, while asleep, the brain sorts through the day's
events
>>> and lays down long-term memories, an administrative process that
Randall
>>> describes as "cleaning up and organizing the mind's filing cabinet."

>>> This does not at all resemble the highly symbolic theater that human

>>> beings have imagined the dream landscape to be for millennia.
However,
>>> in a later sleep stage, once the initial tidying is over, the brain
>>> begins bfinding connections and associations with the data embedded
in
>>> its memory cards,- a creative activity that looks an awful lot like
>>> thinking. This makes the idea of an unconscious self seem less
obsolete.
>>>  "Dreamland" covers an abundance of other slumber-related issues,
from
>>> sleep apnea to the importance of mattresses (which is negligible) to
the
>>> interesting fact that most people sleep much better alone.  It's all

>>> weirdly fascinating, which -- trust me -- is a testimony to the
lively
>>> curiosity, solid research and inventive angles that Randall brings
to
>>> each aspect of his subject.  You almost certainly don't sleep the
way
>>> you think you do.  There's much evidence to indicate that people are
the
>>> worst possible information sources when it comes to their own sleep
>>> habits. That's not surprising when you consider that they're
unconscious
>>> for most of it.  It's remarkable to think that such a mundane
activity
>>> should still be shrouded in so much mystery, but you couldn't find a

>>> more charming guide to what we do know than "Dreamland."
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