[acb-hsp] Working with Learned Helplessness

[Donna]

I agree with Jessie.  collaboration is very important and usually it is 
standard procedure at a CIL to write up goals for consumers and it is done 
while all parties are present.  During this time it is usually also made 
clear what the consumer's responsibility is an what the sttaff member's are. 
Sometimes though I think the consumers don't listen because they always seem 
to be needing a reminder many times throughout the process.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.Rayl" <thedogmom63 at frontier.com>
To: "Discussion list for ACB human service professionals" <acb-hsp at acb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] Working with Learned Helplessness


> Learned helplessness is a difficult one--very difficult.  I think Donna 
> has
> a very good approach, however.
> It is often difficult to distinguish the difference in learned 
> helplessness
> and cultural, or even other, problems such as mental illness, dependency,
> and manipulation.  However, the long and short of it is, what is 
> Independent
> Living?  It is about teaching people to learn to be as independent and as
> self-sufficient as possible?  If I'm asking clients to do something within
> their ability and possibility of abilities, then no, I"m simply not, as
> Donna stated, doing it for them nor am I feeling guilty or responsible if
> they choose not to do it for themselves.  That's within their goals, and, 
> we
> write it out: client will contact 10 jobs; client will register with Job
> Services, Job online X, Job Y, Job Z, etc. versus Jessie will do this for
> client, Jessie will do that for client.
> Now granted, there are things I do for and with the client--and we write
> those in, too.
> (My treatment approach is collaborative; collaboratively developed and
> collaboratively done).
> .
>
> Jessie Rayl
> thedogmom63 at frontier.com
> www.facebook.com/Eaglewings10
> www.pathtogrowth.org
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Discussion list for ACB human service professionals'"
> <acb-hsp at acb.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] Working with Learned Helplessness
>
>
> Thank you, Donna; this is where I'm going, and if my director gets angry 
> I'm
> closing his "pet," he can have her or assign her to a new staff member 
> most
> of whom have never heard of the independent living movement.  <giggle>
>
> Warm Regards,
> Darla
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org [mailto:acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf 
> Of
> Donna
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:19 PM
> To: Discussion list for ACB human service professionals
> Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] Working with Learned Helplessness
>
> Hi Darla,
> When I work with consumers like this I remind them of the goals they set 
> at
> the beginning of the process and I re-emphasize my role in helping them 
> meet
> those goals. If I've made suggestions that will help guide them in
> accomplishing those goals and they still refuse to do the leg work or make
> negative decisions I back off because they need to learn for themselves at
> that point and I do not feel the least bit guilty about their 
> non-compliant
> behavior.  In some cases I've actually refused to provide services until
> they decide they are ready to get serious about the goals they said they
> wished to accomplish.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Darla Rogers <mailto:djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> To: 'Discussion list for ACB human service professionals'
> <mailto:acb-hsp at acb.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:27 PM
> Subject: [acb-hsp] Working with Learned Helplessness
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> Our center works with a lot of minority consumers who think things
> should be "done" for or "to" them, and try as I might, only with some do I
> get through to them that this "process", for want of a better word, 
> belongs
> to them; I'm merely the facilitator and, of course, if they make a genuine
> effort and don't get anywhere, I always stand ready to help, but some will
> do nothing unless I do it for them or won't make decisions that would have 
> a
> more positive impact on how they live their lives--that's there right 
> under
> the independent living model--but I don't feel like I should have to pick 
> of
> the pieces for bad decision-making when they have received counsel
> otherwise.
>
>
>
> Any suggestion on how to work better with them and help them become
> real participants in becoming as independent as is possible for them?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Darla J. Rogers
>
> djrogers0628 at gmail.com
>
>
>
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