[acb-hsp] Working with Learned Helplessness

[Darla Rogers]

Very true, Donna and Jessie; I try to make very sure  the consumer
understands that they own their goals and therefore they are responsible to
do certain things to make the plan work, but I think your assertions about
why they don't, are correct.

I try to get consumers to recognize that CIL's are trying to empower them,
but, for some, it just doesn't seem to be comprehensible.



-----Original Message-----
From: acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org [mailto:acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of
Donna
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:44 PM
To: Discussion list for ACB human service professionals
Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] Working with Learned Helplessness

I agree with Jessie.  collaboration is very important and usually it is
standard procedure at a CIL to write up goals for consumers and it is done
while all parties are present.  During this time it is usually also made
clear what the consumer's responsibility is an what the sttaff member's are.

Sometimes though I think the consumers don't listen because they always seem
to be needing a reminder many times throughout the process.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.Rayl" <thedogmom63 at frontier.com>
To: "Discussion list for ACB human service professionals" <acb-hsp at acb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] Working with Learned Helplessness


> Learned helplessness is a difficult one--very difficult.  I think 
> Donna has a very good approach, however.
> It is often difficult to distinguish the difference in learned 
> helplessness and cultural, or even other, problems such as mental 
> illness, dependency, and manipulation.  However, the long and short of 
> it is, what is Independent Living?  It is about teaching people to 
> learn to be as independent and as self-sufficient as possible?  If I'm 
> asking clients to do something within their ability and possibility of 
> abilities, then no, I"m simply not, as Donna stated, doing it for them 
> nor am I feeling guilty or responsible if they choose not to do it for 
> themselves.  That's within their goals, and, we write it out: client 
> will contact 10 jobs; client will register with Job Services, Job 
> online X, Job Y, Job Z, etc. versus Jessie will do this for client, 
> Jessie will do that for client.
> Now granted, there are things I do for and with the client--and we 
> write those in, too.
> (My treatment approach is collaborative; collaboratively developed and 
> collaboratively done).
> .
>
> Jessie Rayl
> thedogmom63 at frontier.com
> www.facebook.com/Eaglewings10
> www.pathtogrowth.org
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Discussion list for ACB human service professionals'"
> <acb-hsp at acb.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] Working with Learned Helplessness
>
>
> Thank you, Donna; this is where I'm going, and if my director gets 
> angry I'm closing his "pet," he can have her or assign her to a new 
> staff member most of whom have never heard of the independent living 
> movement.  <giggle>
>
> Warm Regards,
> Darla
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org [mailto:acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org] On 
> Behalf Of Donna
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:19 PM
> To: Discussion list for ACB human service professionals
> Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] Working with Learned Helplessness
>
> Hi Darla,
> When I work with consumers like this I remind them of the goals they 
> set at the beginning of the process and I re-emphasize my role in 
> helping them meet those goals. If I've made suggestions that will help 
> guide them in accomplishing those goals and they still refuse to do 
> the leg work or make negative decisions I back off because they need 
> to learn for themselves at that point and I do not feel the least bit 
> guilty about their non-compliant behavior.  In some cases I've 
> actually refused to provide services until they decide they are ready 
> to get serious about the goals they said they wished to accomplish.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darla Rogers <mailto:djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> To: 'Discussion list for ACB human service professionals'
> <mailto:acb-hsp at acb.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:27 PM
> Subject: [acb-hsp] Working with Learned Helplessness
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> Our center works with a lot of minority consumers who think things 
> should be "done" for or "to" them, and try as I might, only with some 
> do I get through to them that this "process", for want of a better 
> word, belongs to them; I'm merely the facilitator and, of course, if 
> they make a genuine effort and don't get anywhere, I always stand 
> ready to help, but some will do nothing unless I do it for them or 
> won't make decisions that would have a more positive impact on how 
> they live their lives--that's there right under the independent living 
> model--but I don't feel like I should have to pick of the pieces for 
> bad decision-making when they have received counsel otherwise.
>
>
>
> Any suggestion on how to work better with them and help them become 
> real participants in becoming as independent as is possible for them?
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> Darla J. Rogers
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> djrogers0628 at gmail.com
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