[acb-hsp] Suicide Protocols for emails, was Re: Impossibilities of hope and self-esteem

[Linda Porelle]

Good morning, Jessie et al~
Your information is invaluable. Perhaps one of our members who feels
particularly concerned about this gentleman will step up and carry out
your protocol.
My sense is that he probably would not have made such public
statements if he didn't want, on some level, to be rescued.
So, caring listees, go forth and rescue!
Linda



On 2/7/13, Sharon <mt281820 at comcast.net> wrote:
> A funny story about suicide in this regard. I got a suicide call once and
> dialed the star 69 to get the number. But what I forgot was that the
> answering service had called me after the suicidal individual, so I gave
> the
> police the last number which was the number of the answering service. So
> the
> police went to the answering service and tried to break down the door. The
> answering service thanked me when I tried to apologize by saying it was the
> most fun and excitement they'd had there in years.
> Sharon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org [mailto:acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of
> J.Rayl
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:52 AM
> To: Discussion list for ACB human service professionals
> Subject: [acb-hsp] Suicide Protocols for emails,was Re: Impossibilities of
> hope and self-esteem
>
> Okay.  If you all are so concerned someone is suicidal, I hardly think
> continuing to write about it on list is saving him now.
> For the record, the protocol for suicide intervention / farewell checks is:
> 1.
> Saving all the headers on an email, you contact the recipients ISP (in
> other
>
> words, if it were from me, you'd call Frontier).
> 2.
> You explain to Frontier that you have received an email from me which has
> you very concerned that I am suicidal, and you would like them to notify
> the
>
> local authorities to do a welfare check.
> They will, then, tell you precisely how to forward that entire email to
> them, keeping extended headers intact.
> They will, then, also give you further instructions which will, likely,
> include contacting the local police (in my case, it would be where I live).
> (Some will ask you to contact the Police, some will not because they will
> not release further information of any kind to you and you'll be left
> hoping
>
> their security folks follow through.)
>
> You will, then, contact the local Police, forward them the email in its
> entirety, and you will have done your job.
> You will, then, not continue to discuss the issue or person on list.
> You may attempt to contact the person off list, (until or unless they
> specificly ask you not to do so)  however, and it is certainly preferrable
> to so prior to contacting the authorities, or at any time during that
> process.
> I've done this a couple of times--but not often--generally in my work as a
> crisis worker, not because of an email of this kind.
> However, this is the protocol.
>
> Hope that is of some help.
>
>
> Jessie Rayl
> thedogmom63 at frontier.com
> www.facebook.com/Eaglewings10
> www.pathtogrowth.org
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Altschul" <paltschul at centurytel.net>
> To: "'Discussion list for ACB human service professionals'"
> <acb-hsp at acb.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] Impossibilities of hope and self-esteem
>
>
> Thanks; I shared your concern but, to my discredit, did nothing about it.
>
> Peace, Peter
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org [mailto:acb-hsp-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of
> Karen Rose
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:08 PM
> To: Discussion list for ACB human service professionals
> Subject: Re: [acb-hsp] Impossibilities of hope and self-esteem
>
> Hi Peter. I am writing off list at least I think so. I located Peter W's
> email at least I think I got it right and send my message to Jim as well as
> to the list. When I saw his message last night I was very concerned that
> this might be essentially a suicide note or perhaps that he had relapsed
> into his alcoholism. Not sure of any of this but I was so concerned that I
> stayed up an extra hour or so to make it my computer it finally work LOL
> and
> then find his direct email. Karen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 6, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Peter Altschul" <paltschul at centurytel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Something's puzzling me.
>>
>> While Peter's frustration is palpable and sad, and we all identify with
>> it
>> (I know I do), he did say he was unsubscribing.  So, why have those who
> have
>> posted since his last email assume he's still on the list?
>>
>> Best, peter
>>
>>
>>
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