[nabs] nabs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 67
Olivia Norman
olivianorman at gmail.com
Thu Dec 23 04:23:32 GMT 2010
And Jaws is 100% there? For the record, I got through my brief graduate school career using Apple's spreadsheet and word processing programs for fairly complicated functions. I was able to write and format papers, and create spreadsheets, as well as power point presentations using keynote. In fact, I find keynote easier to use than powerpoint. I'm also able to use the internet, and do some programing with terminal. For daily computer use by students, and personal use, Apple is more than up to the challenge! We're always working to improve our products, and if you've got feedback or ideas, please email me privately.
Good discussion, indeed, and thanks for voicing your concerns! :)
Olivia
"Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower," Steve Jobs
On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Birkir Rúnar Gunnarsson wrote:
> Olivia (and others).
>
> I did a test of screen readers, complimented by a lot of resources,
> and I still find Apple VoiceOver somewhat lacking in more complex
> educational settings.
> I do not say this to "dizz" Apple, because I am truly impressed with
> them, the iPhone is a revolution. But I am still worried that Apple
> will make the most popular chat and fun applications accessible, draw
> a lot of users to them, and then not care about what will eventually
> pay the bills, programming, scientific applications, complex internet
> exploring, spread sheet application and complex word processing and
> html authoring.
> This is not entirely fair since, for instance, they have done a
> wonderful job at making Pro Tools (music recording), accessible, but
> they are still not there, in my view, with regard to some apps they
> need to have accessible before a high school, or college, student
> switches.
> I am optimistic to see a switchin a year or two and the rest of my
> concerns dispelled.
> I will publish this report when appropriate and post to this list for comments.
> I do not wish to be inaccurate, or biased, against Apple, or any other
> screen reader manufacturer.
> VoiceOver has a few very neat things going for it, like spell check
> for internet editing (yeah, I need that *(grin(), but I just can't say
> they are 100% there yet, 90% definitely, not sure about 100.
> You also have to consider what the rst of the class/school is using.
> Sometimes you have to go Windows/Linux/Mac, to use as similar an
> application as your peers use
> Cheers and good discussion everyone.
>
>
>
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>> 1. Re: difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7 (Albert Yoo)
>> 2. Re: difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7 (Olivia Norman)
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>> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:10:01 -0500
>> From: Albert Yoo <albert.k.yoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
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>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
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>> Just wait for rehab to purchase it I have Jaws 9.0 I know it takes a long
>> time to purchase things otherwise it is too expensive to afford paying such
>> an unreasonable price for an upgrade for Jaws. Albert
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Rhonda Partain
>> <partain319 at bellsouth.net>wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps, Fs is thinking rehab will once again purchase their product for
>>> me. Keeping a sma current would be the best option. Wish I had thought of
>>> that before.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* nabs-bounces at acb.org [mailto:nabs-bounces at acb.org] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Anmol
>>> Bhatia
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:28 AM
>>> *To:* National Alliance of Blind Students.Discussion list for NABS
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is correct Rhonda.
>>>
>>> I am in the same situation. I have a Jaws 8.0 and in order to upgrade I
>>> will need to pay $550. I just can not except having to pay that right now.
>>> Freedom Scientific must think that blind people are rich or something, but
>>> it is simply not afordable to majority of blind people. However, we almost
>>> need it it. If one wants to get a upgrade I would strongly recommend
>>> paying
>>> extra $200 for the SMA so that the next three releases will be free and my
>>> advice would to maintain the SMA. Just my thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anmol
>>>
>>>
>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
>>> among flowers.
>>> Hellen Keller
>>>
>>> --- On *Tue, 12/21/10, Rhonda Partain <partain319 at bellsouth.net>* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Rhonda Partain <partain319 at bellsouth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>> To: "'Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.'" <
>>> nabs at acb.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 3:36 PM
>>>
>>> Yes, they asked me for my serial number and confirmed my name and address
>>> and then quoted me that price.
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> *webmaster
>>> Christopher Wright
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:45 PM
>>> *To:* Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that what there Sales Department told you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
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>>> *From:* Rhonda
>>> Partain<http://us.mc538.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=partain319@bellsouth.net>
>>>
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>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:20 PM
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have Jaws 8, so the upgrade price is 500 and some?..not actually in my
>>> price range now. Fs doesn?t offer a payment plan like Gwmicro does.
>>>
>>> I guess most purchases are made by government agencies and the like.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:45 PM
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Rhonda,
>>>
>>> If you're concern is the cost, you might want to call Freedom Scientific
>>> and find out, financially speaking, what your options are. You might also
>>> want to visit http://www.fsactivate.com/ and press enter on the Continue
>>> Product Activation button.
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>> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:58:42 -0800
>> From: Olivia Norman <olivianorman at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
>> <nabs at acb.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
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>> All of this, is why I wish more people would consider macs as a viable
>> option for their personal and school use, anyways.
>> I know, some of you might say "macs are to expensive," but lets think about
>> what you get for a moment:
>> 1. what does a PC and screen reader cost? You can get a basic macbook with
>> built in access for $1000, or $900 if you're a student. That's the price of
>> two jaws upgrades, assuming that they're $500 each.
>> 2. What works on one mac will work on any mac, so you don't have to worry
>> that you won't be able to use a computer in a campus computer lab, for
>> instance. If it's a mac, it's got a built in screen reader that can be
>> activated with a simple key stroke, and the commands are universal.
>> 3. Apple truly does strive to make products that work for everyone, and the
>> commitment to universal access is unrivaled by any other company! You don't
>> have to pay anything extra to make your computer work just because you're
>> blind and need text to speach functionality.
>> I've used a mac for three wonderful years, and would never go back to
>> windows, it's viruses, and the annoyance of paying freedom scientific tuns
>> of extra money, just so that they can produce a screen reader that gives me
>> the same access Apple gives me out of the box. I really hope that rehab
>> begins to realize all that Apple and Mac have to offer.
>> If you have some ideas about what Apple might do to help rehab agencies
>> become aware of all the solutions that the company offers, please reach out
>> to me privately. I am open to your ideas, suggestions, and feedback!
>> OK, I'm done now, really! :) Sorry, it just makes me frustrated to see so
>> many people paying ridiculous amounts of money for screen readers, when
>> there are other solutions which could meet their needs!
>> If I don't get to check in before Saturday, I also want to wish everyone a
>> happy holiday! Thanks for letting me hang out on this list, even though I'm
>> not technically a student anymore! :)
>> Olivia
>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs
>> On Dec 22, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Albert Yoo wrote:
>>
>>> Just wait for rehab to purchase it I have Jaws 9.0 I know it takes a long
>>> time to purchase things otherwise it is too expensive to afford paying
>>> such an unreasonable price for an upgrade for Jaws. Albert
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Rhonda Partain <partain319 at bellsouth.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> Perhaps, Fs is thinking rehab will once again purchase their product for
>>> me. Keeping a sma current would be the best option. Wish I had thought of
>>> that before.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nabs-bounces at acb.org [mailto:nabs-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Anmol Bhatia
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:28 AM
>>> To: National Alliance of Blind Students.Discussion list for NABS
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is correct Rhonda.
>>>
>>> I am in the same situation. I have a Jaws 8.0 and in order to upgrade I
>>> will need to pay $550. I just can not except having to pay that right now.
>>> Freedom Scientific must think that blind people are rich or something, but
>>> it is simply not afordable to majority of blind people. However, we almost
>>> need it it. If one wants to get a upgrade I would strongly recommend
>>> paying extra $200 for the SMA so that the next three releases will be free
>>> and my advice would to maintain the SMA. Just my thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anmol
>>>
>>>
>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
>>> among flowers.
>>> Hellen Keller
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Rhonda Partain <partain319 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Rhonda Partain <partain319 at bellsouth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>> To: "'Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.'"
>>> <nabs at acb.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 3:36 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, they asked me for my serial number and confirmed my name and address
>>> and then quoted me that price.
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nabs-bounces at acb.org [mailto:nabs-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of
>>> webmaster Christopher Wright
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:45 PM
>>> To: Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>> Is that what there Sales Department told you?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Rhonda Partain
>>> To: 'Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.'
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>> I have Jaws 8, so the upgrade price is 500 and some?..not actually in my
>>> price range now. Fs doesn?t offer a payment plan like Gwmicro does.
>>>
>>> I guess most purchases are made by government agencies and the like.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>>
>>> From: http://us.mc538.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nabs-bounces@acb.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of webmaster Christopher Wright
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:45 PM
>>> To: Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>> Hi Rhonda,
>>> If you're concern is the cost, you might want to call Freedom Scientific
>>> and find out, financially speaking, what your options are. You might also
>>> want to visit http://www.fsactivate.com/ and press enter on the Continue
>>> Product Activation button.
>>>
>>>
>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>> signature database 5706 (20101215) __________
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