[nabs] nabs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 67

[Dornetta]

Hello all:
I am a little late but I must agree. I have major difficulties navigating or 
rather doing powerpt and spreadsheets with JAWS. The only set-back for me is 
that this is the only creen reader I have ever used and while I am in no way 
the expert, I am comfortable with it and can do most navigations well. I 
would love to learn how to use others but the that learning curve...just 
"gets in the way" or my patience runs thin. :-) As far as upgrade is 
concerned. My rehab purchased JAWS 7 for me but now I am up to JAWS 12 
without ever having to purchase an upgrade. I just keep getting the upgrade 
CDs in the mail. I have also had to get the technology dept to "fix" my lap 
top or desktop several times and usually I have to reactivate the activation 
through the website in which FS allows me moreactivation codes. Maybe the 
rehab purchased the S M As you speak of for me. In short, the person who is 
in charge of tech dept at rehab and I get along well and I usually just call 
and ask what is going on with upgrades. I often run in road blocks but when 
that happens I get my husband to call, so maybe that helps me also (he is 
about 6ft 5in & about 305lbs of muscle Lol) Anyway, thank to you all...I am 
learning so much from this discussion lists that I am considering opting out 
of the others just so I won't miss any emails. :-) Talk to yall on tomorrow
Netta
"Just because you are blind, does not mean you lack vision"-Stevie Wonder
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students." 
<nabs at acb.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs] nabs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 67


Hi,
That's true.  You have to go with what the school/class is using.  Always
been a windows user because that is what my school (grew up in public
schools) and family and work used.
Anmol is also right in that employers are primarily using windows and
Microsoft products.

Also you're not the first one, Birker,to say that Apple's screen reader is
lacking for more complex and educational settings; heard that from others as
well.Anyway the two major screen readers are both expensive but do afford
you access to complex computer functions.At least I heard you can have a
payment plan for window eyes.  I don't know how to get them to deliver
cheaper, more reasonable products.  The consumer organizations, for one
thing, should pressure them to make things more affordable; the least FS can
do is offer a payment plan.  Its quite a delima;
we either have to wait for rehab to buy expensive software which can take
forever; they are never efficient.  Alternatively pay for it on your own and
hoping you can afford the ongoing S M As.  Some equipment my family
purchased me but we can't do it all.  What's worse is if you are not a
student, and looking for work, rehab doesn't fund technology.  It can take
years to find a job especially with the economic problems, but while you're
in a transition period, not in school, yet not employed, they don't fund
technology and meanwhile your technology is getting out of date.
BTW I am a student part time while looking for work, but you have to be a
degree seeking student in rehab's eyes for the help in getting technology.
Fortunately I was able to buy a victor reader stream; quite a handy thing.

Ashley


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From: "Birkir Rúnar Gunnarsson" <birkir.gunnarsson at gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs] nabs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 67


> Olivia (and others).
>
> I did a test of screen readers, complimented by a lot of resources,
> and I still find Apple VoiceOver somewhat lacking in more complex
> educational settings.
> I do not say this to "dizz" Apple, because I am truly impressed with
> them, the iPhone is a revolution. But I am still worried that Apple
> will make the most popular chat and fun applications accessible, draw
> a lot of users to them, and then not care about what will eventually
> pay the bills, programming, scientific applications, complex internet
> exploring, spread sheet application and complex word processing and
> html authoring.
> This is not entirely fair since, for instance, they have done a
> wonderful job at making Pro Tools (music recording), accessible, but
> they are still not there, in my view, with regard to some apps they
> need to have accessible before a high school, or college, student
> switches.
> I am optimistic to see a switchin a year or two and the rest of my
> concerns dispelled.
> I will publish this report when appropriate and post to this list for 
> comments.
> I do not wish to be inaccurate, or biased, against Apple, or any other
> screen reader manufacturer.
> VoiceOver has a few very neat things going for it, like spell check
> for internet editing (yeah, I need that *(grin(), but I just can't say
> they are 100% there yet, 90% definitely, not sure about 100.
> You also have to consider what the rst of the class/school is using.
> Sometimes you have to go Windows/Linux/Mac, to use as similar an
> application as your peers use
> Cheers and good discussion everyone.
>
>
>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:10:01 -0500
>> From: Albert Yoo <albert.k.yoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
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>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
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>> Just wait for rehab to purchase it I have Jaws 9.0 I know it takes a long
>> time to purchase things otherwise it is too expensive to afford paying 
>> such
>> an unreasonable price for an upgrade for Jaws. Albert
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Rhonda Partain
>> <partain319 at bellsouth.net>wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps, Fs is thinking rehab will once again purchase their product for
>>> me.  Keeping a sma current would be the best option. Wish I had thought 
>>> of
>>> that before.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* nabs-bounces at acb.org [mailto:nabs-bounces at acb.org] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Anmol
>>> Bhatia
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:28 AM
>>> *To:* National Alliance of Blind Students.Discussion list for NABS
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is correct Rhonda.
>>>
>>> I am in the same situation. I have a Jaws 8.0 and in order to upgrade I
>>> will need to pay $550. I just can not except having to pay that right 
>>> now.
>>> Freedom Scientific must think that blind people are rich or something, 
>>> but
>>> it is simply not afordable to majority of blind people. However, we 
>>> almost
>>> need it it. If one wants to get a upgrade I would strongly recommend
>>> paying
>>> extra $200 for the SMA so that the next three releases will be free and 
>>> my
>>> advice would to maintain the SMA. Just my thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anmol
>>>
>>>
>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a 
>>> breeze
>>> among flowers.
>>> Hellen Keller
>>>
>>> --- On *Tue, 12/21/10, Rhonda Partain <partain319 at bellsouth.net>* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Rhonda Partain <partain319 at bellsouth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>> To: "'Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.'" <
>>> nabs at acb.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 3:36 PM
>>>
>>> Yes, they asked me for my serial number and confirmed my name and 
>>> address
>>> and then quoted me that price.
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Christopher Wright
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:45 PM
>>> *To:* Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that what there Sales Department told you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
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>>> *From:* Rhonda
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>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:20 PM
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have Jaws 8, so the upgrade price is  500 and some?..not actually in 
>>> my
>>> price range now. Fs doesn?t offer a payment plan like Gwmicro does.
>>>
>>> I guess most purchases are made by government agencies and the like.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Rhonda,
>>>
>>> If you're concern is the cost, you might want to call Freedom Scientific
>>> and find out, financially speaking, what your options are. You might 
>>> also
>>> want to visit http://www.fsactivate.com/ and press enter on the Continue
>>> Product Activation button.
>>>
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>> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:58:42 -0800
>> From: Olivia Norman <olivianorman at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
>> <nabs at acb.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
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>> All of this, is why I wish more people would consider macs as a viable
>> option for their personal and school use, anyways.
>> I know, some of you might say "macs are to expensive," but lets think 
>> about
>> what you get for a moment:
>> 1. what does a PC and screen reader cost?  You can get a basic macbook 
>> with
>> built in access for $1000, or $900 if you're a student.  That's the price 
>> of
>> two jaws upgrades, assuming that they're $500 each.
>> 2. What works on one mac will work on any mac, so you don't have to worry
>> that you won't be able to use a computer in a campus computer lab, for
>> instance.  If it's a mac, it's got a built in screen reader that can be
>> activated with a simple key stroke, and the commands are universal.
>> 3. Apple truly does strive to make products that work for everyone, and 
>> the
>> commitment to universal access is unrivaled by any other company!  You 
>> don't
>> have to pay anything extra to make your computer work just because you're
>> blind and need text to speach functionality.
>> I've used a mac for three wonderful years, and would never go back to
>> windows, it's viruses, and the annoyance of paying freedom scientific 
>> tuns
>> of extra money, just so that they can produce a screen reader that gives 
>> me
>> the same access Apple gives me out of the box.  I really hope that rehab
>> begins to realize all that Apple and Mac have to offer.
>> If you have some ideas about what Apple might do to help rehab agencies
>> become aware of all the solutions that the company offers, please reach 
>> out
>> to me privately.  I am open to your ideas, suggestions, and feedback!
>> OK, I'm done now, really! :) Sorry, it just makes me frustrated to see so
>> many people paying ridiculous amounts of money for screen readers, when
>> there are other solutions which could meet their needs!
>> If I don't get to check in before Saturday, I also want to wish everyone 
>> a
>> happy holiday!  Thanks for letting me hang out on this list, even though 
>> I'm
>> not technically a student anymore! :)
>> Olivia
>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs
>> On Dec 22, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Albert Yoo wrote:
>>
>>> Just wait for rehab to purchase it I have Jaws 9.0 I know it takes a 
>>> long
>>> time to purchase things otherwise it is too expensive to afford paying
>>> such an unreasonable price for an upgrade for Jaws. Albert
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Rhonda Partain 
>>> <partain319 at bellsouth.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> Perhaps, Fs is thinking rehab will once again purchase their product for
>>> me.  Keeping a sma current would be the best option. Wish I had thought 
>>> of
>>> that before.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nabs-bounces at acb.org [mailto:nabs-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Anmol Bhatia
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:28 AM
>>> To: National Alliance of Blind Students.Discussion list for NABS
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is correct Rhonda.
>>>
>>> I am in the same situation. I have a Jaws 8.0 and in order to upgrade I
>>> will need to pay $550. I just can not except having to pay that right 
>>> now.
>>> Freedom Scientific must think that blind people are rich or something, 
>>> but
>>> it is simply not afordable to majority of blind people. However, we 
>>> almost
>>> need it it. If one wants to get a upgrade I would strongly recommend
>>> paying extra $200 for the SMA so that the next three releases will be 
>>> free
>>> and my advice would to maintain the SMA. Just my thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anmol
>>>
>>>
>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a 
>>> breeze
>>> among flowers.
>>> Hellen Keller
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Rhonda Partain <partain319 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Rhonda Partain <partain319 at bellsouth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>> To: "'Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.'"
>>> <nabs at acb.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 3:36 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, they asked me for my serial number and confirmed my name and 
>>> address
>>> and then quoted me that price.
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nabs-bounces at acb.org [mailto:nabs-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of
>>> webmaster Christopher Wright
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:45 PM
>>> To: Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>> Is that what there Sales Department told you?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Rhonda Partain
>>> To: 'Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.'
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>> I have Jaws 8, so the upgrade price is  500 and some?..not actually in 
>>> my
>>> price range now. Fs doesn?t offer a payment plan like Gwmicro does.
>>>
>>> I guess most purchases are made by government agencies and the like.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>>
>>> From: http://us.mc538.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nabs-bounces@acb.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of webmaster Christopher Wright
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:45 PM
>>> To: Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs] difference between Jaws 12 and Windows Eyes 7
>>>
>>> Hi Rhonda,
>>> If you're concern is the cost, you might want to call Freedom Scientific
>>> and find out, financially speaking, what your options are. You might 
>>> also
>>> want to visit http://www.fsactivate.com/ and press enter on the Continue
>>> Product Activation button.
>>>
>>>
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