[nabs] no encouragement from rehab department
Gretchen Maune
gmaune at socket.net
Thu Jul 1 03:25:00 GMT 2010
Hi Rhonda,
I have known many people with visual impairments who work at jobs where they
have to travel a lot. The blind person, or their employer, simply hires a
driver to drive them where ever they need to go. So, I definitely don't
think you should let the prospect of a job involving driving stop you from a
certain career path. I'm guessing this rehab counselor was simply not that
well informed.
Also, sadly, I'm not that surprised that the oasis job search place appears
new to the concept of accessibility. I live in a city of 100,000 and when I
went to do something very similar to what you're talking about at a place
called "Job Point," they were also greatly lacking in screen readers, as
well as CCTVs and even large print for that matter. I proceeded to complain
a great deal, or, rather, self-advocate, and I hear it's gotten a little bit
better, although, it did not improve quickly, and I did have to use a reader
and a scribe during my time there.
Hopefully, your mentioning of JAWS and such will help them to realize they
need to become more accessible for consumers with disabilities.
Good Luck!
Gretchen in Missouri
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 20:10:14 -0400
> From: "Rhonda Partain" <partain319 at bellsouth.net>
> To: <nabs at acb.org>
> Subject: [nabs] no encouragement from rehab department
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> I recently spoke with a counselor with vocational rehabbilitation. This
> counselor sorks especially with blind and visually impaired people. I have
> a
> regular counselor and wanted to know if it might be best if I transfered
> my
> case. I explained I would graduate in October with a Bs degree in
> Psychology. She said I might apply for jobs with department of Family
> and
> Children's Services, but that Georgia wasn't always agreeable with making
> their programs accessible. I mentioned my interest in perhaps going back
> to
> acquire a Masters in rehab counseling with a emphasis on working with
> visually impaired and blind people. That might be hard since you'd have to
> drive places was the answer she gave. Should that pose a problem? I mean
> if
> driving were the main concern would a blind person work at any job?
> I am scheduled for an OASIS workshop a job search and orientation class.
> There is a skills assessment, and talk about how to find out your
> interests
> and what type of career would best suit a person's abilities. Job search
> techniques will be discussed and a mock application will be filled out. I
> live in a small town in Georgia. When I asked about having Jaws on a
> computer they said someone would just read me the interast questions and
> fill in the application for me. This is a day long class. Has anyone done
> this? What do you think of what the rehab worker told me?
> Is it no wonder that so few blind people ever try to acquire the skills
> needed to find and perform a job?
>
> Rhonda
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 20:36:55 -0400
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.'"
> <nabs at acb.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs] Accomodations at internship sites.
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> Hmmm, that is a good point. Unfortunately, short of purchasing one of the
> free or low-cost screen readers, I don't know that I have a good answer
> for
> you. My best recommendation is that people keep up with the updates to
> their products. Each update is going to cost about $200 in the case of
> JAWS, and while we could argue Freedom Scientific should bring down their
> prices, in the meantime people need to be prepared for their upcoming jobs
> or internships. $200 a year may seem unreasonable, but in some respects
> you
> could say it's one of those things we have no choice but to budget for
> just
> as our sighted peers must budget for gasoline for their vehicles.
> Actually,
> with that analogy, we're getting off lucky with JAWS. It's not the best
> solution, but outside of the government sector or blindness workplace,
> it's
> probably the only solution. At some point you will have to be responsible
> for upgrading your own software. Remember that the longer you wait to
> upgrade, the more you'll have to pay to catch up to the latest version of
> the screen reader. Again, this is only in the case of JAWS. I cannot
> speak
> for Window Eyes. Ultimately, we have to make investments in our own
> preparation, because the grim reality is that when an employer, even in
> the
> case of an internship, has to choose between a sighted applicant and a
> blind
> one, they're more than likely going to find reasons not to hire the blind
> one.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Laura Glowacki [mailto:orangebutterfly87 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:03 PM
> To: jsorozco at gmail.com; Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of
> Blind
> Students.
> Subject: Re: [nabs] Accomodations at internship sites.
>
>
> Hi Joe, thanks for replying. In my case, DHS bought my JAWS back in 2005
> and it is version 7.0. This is problematic because I'll at least need JFW
> 9
> or 10 if they're running Vista and 11 if they're running Windows 7. So
> someone somewhere is going to be putting out some money.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Joe Orozco <mailto:jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: 'Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of <mailto:nabs at acb.org>
> Blind Students.'
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs] Accomodations at internship sites.
>
> Laura,
>
> Different folks may differ on this, but it's always been my sense that
> it's
> better if you can bring in copies of your own software. JAWS now ships
> with
> 3 keys with the opportunity to refresh the count for free. Or, maybe this
> has always been the case. Regardless, it's difficult to broach the
> subject
> with an internship provider to eat the expense when the intern may only be
> there for a few months. In most cases the student will have gotten the
> equipment he or she needs during college, which should help them at the
> work
> site. Good luck to you.
>
> Joe
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: nabs-bounces at acb.org [mailto:nabs-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of
> Laura
> Glowacki
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:35 AM
> To: Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.
> Subject: [nabs] Accomodations at internship sites.
>
>
> For those of you who have needed accomodations at an internship site which
> requires some sort of payment on someone's part (I.E., JAWS or other
> computer software):
>
> Who paid for it: DRS/ORS or the internship site? How did they determine
> who
> paid for it? Is there a law or precedent of which I am not aware?
>
> Apparently my university has no responsibility in this as the internship
> site isnot on-campus. Can anyone speak to that?
>
> TIA,
> Laura
>
>
>
> _____
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> And you too of course have very valid points.
>
> I guess maybe I need to install some of these free or low cost
> screenreaders to try them out. I've only played around with system access
> to go. Perhaps it's just got a higher learning curve than I estimated, or
> it really is limited compared to JAWS.
>
> Thank you for the reminders of the other options for screenreading.
> Still, to assume even some compatibility with whatever software the
> hospital uses for charting and records etc, JAWS remains my best bet as
> far as I know.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Orozco
> To: 'Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.'
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs] Accomodations at internship sites.
>
>
> Hmmm, that is a good point. Unfortunately, short of purchasing one of
> the free or low-cost screen readers, I don't know that I have a good
> answer for you. My best recommendation is that people keep up with the
> updates to their products. Each update is going to cost about $200 in the
> case of JAWS, and while we could argue Freedom Scientific should bring
> down their prices, in the meantime people need to be prepared for their
> upcoming jobs or internships. $200 a year may seem unreasonable, but in
> some respects you could say it's one of those things we have no choice but
> to budget for just as our sighted peers must budget for gasoline for their
> vehicles. Actually, with that analogy, we're getting off lucky with JAWS.
> It's not the best solution, but outside of the government sector or
> blindness workplace, it's probably the only solution. At some point you
> will have to be responsible for upgrading your own software. Remember
> that the longer you wait to upgrade, the more y
> ou'll have to pay to catch up to the latest version of the screen reader.
> Again, this is only in the case of JAWS. I cannot speak for Window Eyes.
> Ultimately, we have to make investments in our own preparation, because
> the grim reality is that when an employer, even in the case of an
> internship, has to choose between a sighted applicant and a blind one,
> they're more than likely going to find reasons not to hire the blind one.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
> Ewing
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Laura Glowacki [mailto:orangebutterfly87 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:03 PM
> To: jsorozco at gmail.com; Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of
> Blind Students.
> Subject: Re: [nabs] Accomodations at internship sites.
>
>
> Hi Joe, thanks for replying. In my case, DHS bought my JAWS back in
> 2005 and it is version 7.0. This is problematic because I'll at least
> need JFW 9 or 10 if they're running Vista and 11 if they're running
> Windows 7. So someone somewhere is going to be putting out some money.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Orozco
> To: 'Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.'
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs] Accomodations at internship sites.
>
>
> Laura,
>
> Different folks may differ on this, but it's always been my sense
> that it's better if you can bring in copies of your own software. JAWS
> now ships with 3 keys with the opportunity to refresh the count for free.
> Or, maybe this has always been the case. Regardless, it's difficult to
> broach the subject with an internship provider to eat the expense when the
> intern may only be there for a few months. In most cases the student will
> have gotten the equipment he or she needs during college, which should
> help them at the work site. Good luck to you.
>
> Joe
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
> Ewing
>
>
>
>
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> From: nabs-bounces at acb.org [mailto:nabs-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf
> Of Laura Glowacki
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:35 AM
> To: Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.
> Subject: [nabs] Accomodations at internship sites.
>
>
> For those of you who have needed accomodations at an internship
> site which requires some sort of payment on someone's part (I.E., JAWS or
> other computer software):
>
> Who paid for it: DRS/ORS or the internship site? How did they
> determine who paid for it? Is there a law or precedent of which I am not
> aware?
>
> Apparently my university has no responsibility in this as the
> internship site isnot on-campus. Can anyone speak to that?
>
> TIA,
> Laura
>
>
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