[nabs] nabs Digest, Vol 23, Issue 105
Carly
carlymih at earthlink.net
Wed Aug 24 00:37:27 EDT 2011
Hi, Tyler,
Don't you see the representation of a single language, as laying
seeds for a homogenous, singular voice within such a nation that
supposedly, prides itself on being a mixed bag,of ethnicities and languages?
for today,
Car
At 06:59 PM 8/23/2011, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> >Well, our law says that we expect all immigrants to learn English.
>We're not bashing immigrants, in fact, we welcome them. However, I
>believe that if...
>I don't want to start a fight, but I really am curious. Which law is
>this that you speak of?
>
>
>On 8/23/2011 6:50 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>>Hi everyone,
>>
>>Here are my thoughts on the posts in today's digest.
>>
>>> From Tara Prackash on "Immigrant Bashing"
>>
>>Well, our law says that we expect all immigrants to learn English.
>>We're not bashing immigrants, in fact, we welcome them. However, I
>>believe that if a person comes here, that person should have a good
>>understanding of our laws and expectations of them, and should follow them.
>>
>>Also from Tara: On Racism and the Unnecessary Use of the Word "Black"
>>
>>Wow, that sounds like a research paper! * Smile! There is a
>>difference, in my opinion, between racism and realism. If the
>>professor in question is in fact black, then he's black! He
>>wouldn't appologize for it, and it's the truth. Racism would be if
>>Alicia said something bad about him on the basis that he's
>>black. The fact that he is black and the fact that she told us
>>that isn't racism, it's honesty! But, who cares? She didn't say
>>anything bad about him; in fact, she commended him and respects
>>him, as she said in her earlier post. So, who cares about his race
>>when he's a good professor and Alicia's having problem
>>understanding him? So, then, what's the racism?
>>
>>Those are my thoughts. Any thoughts are welcome on or off list.
>>
>>Chris Nusbaum
>>
>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity,
>>blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth
>>Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>
>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>>Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: nabs-request at acb.org
>>To: nabs at acb.org
>>Date sent: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:54:56 -0400
>>Subject: nabs Digest, Vol 23, Issue 105
>>
>>Send nabs mailing list submissions to
>> nabs at acb.org
>>
>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> nabs-request at acb.org
>>
>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>> nabs-owner at acb.org
>>
>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>than "Re: Contents of nabs digest..."
>>
>>
>>Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: foreign professors (Tara Prakash)
>> 2. Re: My Apologies (Tara Prakash)
>> 3. Re: My Apologies (Starner, Alicia M.)
>>
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>-----
>>
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:10:08 -0400
>>From: "Tara Prakash" <taraprakash at gmail.com
>>To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
>><nabs at acb.org
>>Subject: Re: [nabs] foreign professors
>>Message-ID: <50E703424BE44A7A9138134F2B6C87CF at tara
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>>Yes, it's time to pressurize the government to invest more in education. US,
>>believe it or not, does not have enough qualified professors and remember
>>the pittance the professors are paid to get all the blame for all the ills
>>of the society. if immigrant bashing gives pleasure to some on this list,
>>they can go on and please themselves, but the fault lies with the system.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>>To: <nabs at acb.org
>>Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:38 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs] foreign professors
>>
>>
>>Hi Ann,
>>
>>I agree that professors from other countries should speak fluent English
>>for their students. As Alicia pointed out, English is a hard language to
>>learn, and we're not sure if he's been there for a while. But I agree
>>with you in theory, as we expect that from all immigrants to our country.
>>
>>Chris Nusbaum
>>
>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a
>>blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
>>reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of
>>the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>
>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>>Sent from my BrailleNote
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs mailing list
>>nabs at acb.org
>>http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 2
>>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:19:35 -0400
>>From: "Tara Prakash" <taraprakash at gmail.com
>>To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
>><nabs at acb.org
>>Subject: Re: [nabs] My Apologies
>>Message-ID: <B82B99DFB39640BA96D374F938CA1CD5 at tara
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>>Ashley. There is no point beating the dead horse. But in one of
>>her emails the original emailer identified the professor as
>>Black. That was unnecessary. But I wish people would allow this
>>matter not as a blindness related issue, it does not apply
>>specifically to the blind.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.
>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs] My Apologies
>>
>>
>> Since we do not know the professor?s race, race had nothing to do
>> with this. If you cannot understand a professor, it impedes your
>> learning. It doesn?t matter where they are from. I hope the
>> situation can be worked out. I took classes with professors who
>> had mild accents. What helped me was repetition either in class
>> as I asked for clarification or in office hours and I sat up front.
>> But if a professor had a thick accent, I doubt I?d be able to cope with it.
>> Ashley
>>
>> From: Leena and Charity
>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:52 PM
>> To: Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.
>> Subject: Re: [nabs] My Apologies
>>
>> I did too. I also think a lot of people over react to things if
>> they even sound like there might be a hint of racism.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.
>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs] My Apologies
>>
>> Christine, You meant to say Alicia, not Ashley, I
>> think. Anyway, I thought her posts were perfectly fine and not judgemental.
>> Ashley
>>
>> From: Christine Szostak
>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:56 PM
>> To: Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.
>> Subject: Re: [nabs] My Apologies
>>
>> Hi Ashley and All,
>> I do not think it is necessarily your posts that Sarah was
>> referring too. Your questions, at lease to me came across as
>> intended. I think there may be a little name-mixing up on the
>> list that may be occurring which may be why you feel targeted.
>> Many thanks,
>> Christine
>>
>>
>> M. Szostak
>> Doctoral Candidate
>> Language Perception Laboratory
>> Department of Psychology, Cognitive Area
>> The Ohio State University
>> Columbus, Ohio
>> szostak.1 at osu.edu
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Starner, Alicia M.
>> To: 'Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.'
>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:41 PM
>> Subject: [nabs] My Apologies
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to apologize to anyone who may have been
>> offended by the thread started by me titled ?foreign
>> Professors?. I believe there was a misunderstanding in the
>> original intent of the thread, which was not to discriminate
>> against my professor in any way for any reason.
>>The inquiry was simply about what you have all done to overcome
>>communication barriers due to a thick accent, a lisp, or other
>>communication barrier that makes understanding difficult or
>>impossible for you as a student. While oral and written
>>communication skills is extremely important for anyone who is
>>providing a service, I am not one that believes that one should be
>>perfect with these skills. On the other hand, I do believe that if
>>a service provider including but not limited to teachers, doctors,
>>social workers, councelors, and psychologists have a thick accent,
>>lisp, or other communication barrier that may impede their ability
>>to be understood, they should work with those individuals to ensure t
>>hey have the information they need. This thread was in no way a
>>punch to his race, because I never mentioned his race on list, nor
>>was it a blow to him as a person with ethnic differences. I am one
>>that embraces diversity within our community and believes strongly
>>that we all have something to contribute to the larger world as a
>>whole regardless of our race, ethnicity, disability, or other
>>diversity. In short, diversity is what makes life worth living and
>>provides variety within our community. It is what makes our
>>society challenging and worth living in. Again, I apologize to
>>anyone who may have felt discriminated against or offended by my
>>thread. I assure you, it was not intended to offend you at all! I
>>am sad and disappointed that I didn?t make my written communication
>>more concise to avoid people feeling as if I was racist or
>>discriminatory against my professor and/or perhaps any of
>>you. Please accept my sincere apology and hope we can continue to
>>share our experiences an
>>d suggestions as students with visual impairments, as I have
>>learned quite a bit from all of you and honestly respect all of our
>>different opinions.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>---------
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs mailing list
>> nabs at acb.org
>> http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>
>>
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>-----------
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs mailing list
>> nabs at acb.org
>> http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>
>>
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>-----------
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs mailing list
>> nabs at acb.org
>> http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>
>>
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>-------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs mailing list
>> nabs at acb.org
>> http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>
>>
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>-------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs mailing list
>> nabs at acb.org
>> http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>-------------- next part --------------
>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>>URL:
>><http://www.acb.org/pipermail/nabs/attachments/20110823/de9dab1b/>
>>attachment-0001.html
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 3
>>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:54:42 -0500
>>From: "Starner, Alicia M." <astarner at charter.net
>>To: "'Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.'"
>><nabs at acb.org
>>Subject: Re: [nabs] My Apologies
>>Message-ID: <000601cc61b5$5b297440$117c5cc0$@net
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>>Point of clarification. I never implied this professor is
>>black. As I am totally blind, I am not even completely sure if he
>>is a black man or a white man, I do know he is from Africa. I
>>never implied, nor did I state that he was black. As we all know,
>>there are white and black people from Africa, and I am not certain
>>if he is a black man from Africa or a white man from Africa;
>>however, he has a very hard to understand thick African accent.
>>
>>
>>
>>For those of you who are interested in the solution and closing of
>>this problem, I did speak with the professor yesterday and he was
>>very receptive. He is a very nice man and has encountered this
>>problem before. I will be getting notes on his lectures and will
>>be able to work one on one with a person from the class. He also
>>told me that I could call him at any time if I run into
>>trouble. These accommodations were put into affect by my
>>universities access office, as
>>
>>the councelor felt his accent impedes my ability to learn. She
>>feels it is related to my blindness, because he does rely on power
>>point and has it on the screen word for word for sighted students
>>to read. The sighted students in the class are able to read the
>>screen if they are ever in doubt of what he is saying, but I am not
>>able to do that; therefore, it was written down as a blindness
>>related accommodation.
>>This will be my last posting to this subject, as the problem has
>>been cleared up and a positive solution has been reached. Thank
>>you all for your input and suggestions of what course of action I
>>should take on my pursuit of a positive outcome. I believe that
>>one has been reached and one we, my classmates, professor, and I,
>>can all handle, so let the learning begin.
>>
>>
>>
>>Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: nabs-bounces at acb.org [mailto:nabs-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf
>>Of Tara Prakash
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:20 AM
>>To: Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.
>>Subject: Re: [nabs] My Apologies
>>
>>
>>
>>Ashley. There is no point beating the dead horse. But in one of
>>her emails the original emailer identified the professor as
>>Black. That was unnecessary. But I wish people would allow this
>>matter not as a blindness related issue, it does not apply
>>specifically to the blind.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>
>>From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>
>>To: Discussion list for <mailto:nabs at acb.org> NABS,National
>>Alliance of Blind Students.
>>
>>Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:16 PM
>>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs] My Apologies
>>
>>
>>
>>Since we do not know the professor?s race, race had nothing to do
>>with this. If you cannot understand a professor, it impedes your
>>learning. It doesn?t matter where they are from. I hope the
>>situation can be worked out. I took classes with professors who
>>had mild accents. What helped me was repetition either in class as
>>I asked for clarification or in office hours and I sat up front.
>>
>>But if a professor had a thick accent, I doubt I?d be able to cope with it.
>>
>>Ashley
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Leena and <mailto:leena.salim at gmail.com> Charity
>>
>>Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:52 PM
>>
>>To: Discussion list for <mailto:nabs at acb.org> NABS,National
>>Alliance of Blind Students.
>>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs] My Apologies
>>
>>
>>
>>I did too. I also think a lot of people over react to things if
>>they even sound like there might be a hint of racism.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>
>>From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>
>>To: Discussion <mailto:nabs at acb.org> list for NABS,National
>>Alliance of Blind Students.
>>
>>Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:41 PM
>>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs] My Apologies
>>
>>
>>
>>Christine, You meant to say Alicia, not Ashley, I think. Anyway, I
>>thought her posts were perfectly fine and not judgemental.
>>
>>Ashley
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Christine Szostak <mailto:szostak.1 at osu.edu>
>>Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:56 PM
>>
>>To: Discussion list for <mailto:nabs at acb.org> NABS,National
>>Alliance of Blind Students.
>>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs] My Apologies
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Ashley and All,
>>
>> I do not think it is necessarily your posts that Sarah was
>> referring too. Your questions, at lease to me came across as
>> intended. I think there may be a little name-mixing up on the
>> list that may be occurring which may be why you feel targeted.
>>
>>Many thanks,
>>
>>Christine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>M. Szostak
>>Doctoral Candidate
>>Language Perception Laboratory
>>Department of Psychology, Cognitive Area
>>The Ohio State University
>>Columbus, Ohio
>>szostak.1 at osu.edu
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>
>>From: Starner, Alicia <mailto:astarner at charter.net> M.
>>
>>To: 'Discussion <mailto:nabs at acb.org> list for NABS, National
>>Alliance of Blind Students.'
>>
>>Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:41 PM
>>
>>Subject: [nabs] My Apologies
>>
>>
>>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>>I would like to apologize to anyone who may have been offended by
>>the thread started by me titled ?foreign Professors?. I believe
>>there was a misunderstanding in the original intent of the thread,
>>which was not to discriminate against my professor in any way for
>>any reason. The inquiry was simply about what you have all done to
>>overcome communication barriers due to a thick accent, a lisp, or
>>other communication barrier that makes understanding difficult or
>>impossible for you as a student. While oral and written
>>communication skills is extremely important for anyone who is
>>providing a service, I am not one that believes that one should be
>>perfect with these skills. On the other hand, I do believe that if
>>a service provider including but not limited to teachers, doctors,
>>social workers, councelors, and psychologists have a thick accent,
>>lisp, or other communication barrier that may impede their ability
>>to be understood, they should work with those individuals to ensure they ha
>>ve the information they need. This thread was in no way a punch to
>>his race, because I never mentioned his race on list, nor was it a
>>blow to him as a person with ethnic differences. I am one that
>>embraces diversity within our community and believes strongly that
>>we all have something to contribute to the larger world as a whole
>>regardless of our race, ethnicity, disability, or other
>>diversity. In short, diversity is what makes life worth living and
>>provides variety within our community. It is what makes our
>>society challenging and worth living in. Again, I apologize to
>>anyone who may have felt discriminated against or offended by my
>>thread. I assure you, it was not intended to offend you at all! I
>>am sad and disappointed that I didn?t make my written communication
>>more concise to avoid people feeling as if I was racist or
>>discriminatory against my professor and/or perhaps any of
>>you. Please accept my sincere apology and hope we can continue to
>>share our experiences and sugg
>>estions as students with visual impairments, as I have learned
>>quite a bit from all of you and honestly respect all of our different opinions.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs mailing list
>>nabs at acb.org
>>http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs mailing list
>>nabs at acb.org
>>http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs mailing list
>>nabs at acb.org
>>http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs mailing list
>>nabs at acb.org
>>http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs mailing list
>>nabs at acb.org
>>http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>
>>-------------- next part --------------
>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>>URL:
>><http://www.acb.org/pipermail/nabs/attachments/20110823/28149ac1/>
>>attachment.html
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs mailing list
>>nabs at acb.org
>>http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>>
>>
>>End of nabs Digest, Vol 23, Issue 105
>>*************************************
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs mailing list
>>nabs at acb.org
>>http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
>
>
>--
>
>Take care,
>Ty
>my website:
>http://tds-solutions.net
>my blog:
>http://tds-solutions.net/blog
>skype: st8amnd127
>My programs don't have bugs; they're randomly added features!
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs mailing list
>nabs at acb.org
>http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs
More information about the nabs
mailing list